In this episode, I had the pleasure of interviewing my mentor / teacher: Dr. Jon Connelly, creator of Rapid Resolution Therapy.
Jon Connelly first founded the Institute for Survivors of Sexual Violence, a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization engaged in research and development of cutting-edge treatment for survivors of trauma. His early career experiences as a child protective service worker and clinical supervisor in a program for traumatized teens helped shape the creation of Rapid Resolution Therapy. Jon is the author of Life Changing Conversations with Rapid Resolution Therapy, a book demonstrating that a single conversation can dramatically improve one’s life. He recently published another book, Grief is Not Sacred, demonstrating how grief can be resolved in a single meeting. He also developed innovative training programs designed to teach Rapid Resolution Therapy to people looking to relieve suffering. Doctors, dentists, mental health professionals, teachers, coaches, nutritionists, lawyers, caregivers, nurses, business owners and others have become Rapid Resolution Therapy members with the intention to learn and apply the fundamentals of Rapid Resolution Therapy to themselves and their field.
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Speaker 0 (00:00:00) - Hello, and welcome to the 5G C F O podcast. My name is Angela Marie Christian, and my mission is to help entrepreneurs and thought leaders rise to the 5G where we can find wealth in all dimensions, in all areas of life. Enjoy.
Speaker 0 (00:00:18) - Today, I have a very special guest with me, Dr. John Connolly. Wow. Where do I even begin? Trying to explain how amazing and incredible this man is. I started studying with him in February and have racked up about a hundred hours under his training and mentorship programs. And I'm continuing on to become a certified r RT facilitator. Uh, John started his early career as a child protective service worker and clinical supervisor, and a program for traumatized teens, which helped shape the creation of rapid resolution therapy, or r RT for short. R RT offers innovative training programs designed for people looking to relieve suffering. Doctors, dentists, mental health professionals, teachers, coaches, caregivers, nurses, business owners, and others have become rapid resolution therapy members with the intention to learn and apply the fundamentals of rapid resolution therapy to themselves and their field. John is also the author of Life Ch Changing Conversations with Rapid Resolution Therapy, which demonstrates the power of a single session to resolve ongoing trauma and turmoil and dramatically improve wellbeing.
Speaker 0 (00:01:31) - His new book, grief Is Not Sacred, is also on Amazon for purchase, which I'll link both books and the show notes. I love John's mission, which is to help people heal and not have to suffer while healing and to do it as quickly as possible. And this applies to the mental health industry, educational industry, et cetera. We are at an all time high of suffering on this planet right now, and I truly believe R RT is the answer to helping our planet and our future generations. It is the most powerful modality I have ever studied for healing trauma of the past that just seem to stick around. And for those of you who know me, you know, I've studied a lot of different modalities over the last eight years. What I love about R R T is it's just a completely different perspective and a different way of healing.
Speaker 0 (00:02:27) - And it's, some people see it as controversial or unconventional. I see it as freaking wizardry. So to me, it's just magic and I love it, and that's why I'm learning how to help others using John's techniques. So John and I barely scratch the surface of our RT and our interview. It is lengthy, but I wanted to really ask some questions that I feel my audience would have in their minds. Um, so if this is something that interests you and you want to learn more, I highly recommend joining a free Monday Night Solutions call with John. You can come and just watch him work his magic on other people, or you can even come with an issue and have the opportunity to work with him on that call for free. I could go on and on about how amazing he is, how amazing our RT is.
Speaker 0 (00:03:17) - But without further ado, let's dive in. Hi, John, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being here, and I'm really excited to have you on as I have been talking about Rapid Resolution Therapy on my podcast for a while, ever since taking the, um, the first Understanding utilization course. And then I just wrapped up the 60 hour hypnosis course, which was just absolutely amazing. And I just keep finding myself more and more impressed with what you do and what you're teaching us. Um, and I just wanna tell more people about it. So I would love if you could just start by sharing some background information about yourself, how you came to create r rt. I think that would be a good place to start.
Speaker 2 (00:03:59) - I'm so excited to be with you, Angela, and thanks for, um, what you said about these, uh, these trainings. Um, there, there are, um, there are two kinds of trainings I'm noticing. There are, these get Yourself Together trainings, and then, uh, people take that because they want to be, to overcome problems or be successful or, or, or be winners. And then there are the courses for clinicians, which are all about what do we do, um, for our patients. And, and I think what's different about what I'm offering there, tell me if you, you agree is my, um, my target as I'm doing those trainings was one, I'd like everybody in the training to experience a significant personal breakthrough. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Two, I would like people taking that training to know how to speak, what to say to people they care about when those people go through the tragedy of not getting on the cheerleading squad or the tragedy of having a loved one die.
Speaker 2 (00:05:29) - Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and then thirdly, uh, for those who would like to really pursue it, to have an opportunity to, to, to provide this service as one that would, um, uh, provide an excellent, lucrative and satisfying career. So when I'm thinking about what's best for you, uh, I'm thinking about it being best for you. If you can be best for the world, um, which is, which is sort of different than, than most of the approaches, which is kind of either or. Um, and I completely avoided whatever you asked me, I should run for office. Cause I know how to do that. Now. You come in with a speech and people ask you questions and you say, thank you, and go ahead with your speech. Wait for the next question. That's a little pause. Go back to your speech and completely ignore what people said. And I don't wanna do that to you. Don't let me get away with it. What did you wanna know? How did I come up with this stuff or something?
Speaker 0 (00:06:37) - Yeah. Just, I thought it was so helpful to understand like you were actually in the mental health space, first, realized what wasn't working, and then, uh, just how you created rapid resolution. Thank
Speaker 2 (00:06:49) - You. Well, one of the things that, that happens, I got interested in this. So when I was doing trainings for mental health professionals, and initially that was my whole audience, and now it's mixed between mental health professionals and others. But I would ask this question. I would say, when you were getting your doctorate in psychology or your degree in social work or counseling or what have you, how many hours did you spend watching your teachers doing what they were, showing what they wanted you to learn how to do? And, and also how many hours did they spend, like watching you work and coaching you and, uh, uh, uh, and refining your skill? And the answer to both questions around the country and from people around the world, people might be surprised to learn, was zero. That I went through my entire training and they never once showed us how to do, um, what we were supposed to be learning how to do.
Speaker 2 (00:08:07) - And then that went all the way up to getting, um, uh, my licensing exam in psychology, uh, or, or social work. And no, I've never seen anybody do it and nobody's ever seen me do it. And so that was my experience, you know, in school. And, um, people came to me. They were troubled with things. My background before I did that is I, I did, uh, uh, worked for a number of years doing what's called Child Protective Service work, which means an agency is there to create the illusion that children are being protected. So I was part of that. I was trying to do my best to actually protect kids, but that wa that was, I don't believe the purpose of why we were there, but I think we were supposed to make it look like we were. And then I worked with runaway throwaway kids in a residential facility trying to get them in better shape.
Speaker 2 (00:09:16) - And I got to realize how, uh, some horrendous stuff that happens to people that they survive. And yet, even though it's been survived, it continues to kind of be eating away in the background, either consciously or unconsciously and causing all kinds of dysfunction. And I got no useful information in school, went to post doc trainings and learned that people have repressed feelings because they didn't feel enough pain when they were getting raped and stuff. And I was supposed to help them go back and, and re-experience that so that they could, you know, spit and vomit and blow their nose. And I did all that. Uh, I'm sorry to say, um, I was willing to do that. I hated it. Um, but if that's what had to be done, but, uh, I, I stopped doing it because I wasn't seeing any kind of re results. Um, it seemed to me people sometimes got better in spite of me.
Speaker 2 (00:10:28) - I I, I looked at myself in the mirror one day and I said, well, here you are, John. You are an effective roadblock on the way to mental health. And I remember thinking exactly those words, looking at myself and saying, people are in pain. They're suffering. They look for a solution. They want to be better. And then they come to you and end of the story. That's as far as they're gonna get. You're gonna be, uh, doing some kind of, uh, ongoing rent a friend business with troubled people. And, uh, they deserve a whole lot better than me. That's what I said, looking at my ugly head in the mirror that day. And I figured I better think of something else. So I began flipping everything around and I flipped a whole rotten, I, I flipped a lot of it around backwards. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I mean, I thought, you know, maybe they actually gave me the, the, the blueprint for effective treatment in graduate school.
Speaker 2 (00:11:34) - All I have to do is, is remember everything I was taught into the opposite. Okay. Yeah. And then, um, I did that sort of, and that worked so much better. And then I began teaching, um, mental health professionals, cuz they, they're not bad people. I mean, they really wanna make a difference. But if you could imagine trying to be a hairdresser and you've never seen anybody do anything to anybody's hair, nobody will ever coach you. You know, you probably do a lousy haircut at that point. Doesn't mean you don't care, but how could you do better? And, and so I wanted to do better and teach in a different way. And one of the big differences I think is I've noticed it with the education industry and the mental health industry, that what they seem to share in terms of values is that they, um, never take responsibility for missing anything up and blame the victims of their own ineptitude by, uh, uh, saying things like, well, that student didn't pass the course because he didn't, he wasn't motivated.
Speaker 2 (00:12:54) - Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, how about because I didn't motivate him. Right. Um, or my, my patient didn't get any better because he was, um, uh, resistant, which is what people in the mental health industry call you when you disagree with them. Can you imagine the arrogance there? Yeah. Uh, I say something, you disagree, therefore you're resistant. Um, um, and, and I never heard of a teacher who told me, you know, the reason that there are a number of kids in this school that are failing their courses is because we don't do a good job teaching. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and I haven't heard mental health professionals say, yeah, the reason people come to me don't get better is because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. Um, uh, uh, it's always, oh, it's then they're not right. They're not motivated, they're not caring enough. They, they were resistant.
Speaker 2 (00:13:51) - They didn't want to do what was necessary to get better, which, if it's somebody in the mental health field, it's generally what there is to feel better, is to feel worse. And, and people who feel bad, uh, aren't generally on board with it would be a good idea to feel much worse, um, uh, with some illusion of feeling better after a whole lot of feeling worse. So I look to reverse that and teach principles that actually make sense. My advice to people is if somebody's telling you they're gonna help you with your depression, with your anxiety, with your phobia, with your sexual issue, with your marital problem, with your obsessive thoughts or compulsive behaviors, or whatever the hell it is, ask them how it's going to cause that to shift. How is meeting with you going to cause the depression to stop? And when will the meeting stop? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, how many times do I have to be with you in order to get this thing to stop? And how, how exactly is that gonna work? And I would say to your listeners, if what you hear doesn't make sense to you, you might suspect that it doesn't make sense because it doesn't make sense <laugh>. Right. And if it doesn't make sense to you, don't do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:15:24) - Don't do it because it's bad enough to ha have, have, have feelings that suck and, and, and stuff with without, without paying for treatment that would make you feel worse and just prolong the agony. Um, and, and, and, and try to get you to, to to, to re-experience bad times in order to feel good. I mean.
Speaker 0 (00:15:52) - Yeah. Yeah. And you see, I mean, I, before I even knew about R R T I, a lot of, you know, spiritual people or people that I follow always post things like, you need to f feel it before you can heal it. And like, that's what I believed until I got into this world. And it just, it makes so much more sense. Like, yeah. Why would you need to re-experience something so painful?
Speaker 2 (00:16:15) - Feel it to heal? It is what lots of people in the coaching industry, the mental health industry, um, feel, I was thinking about the combat vets who are dealing, I mean, this guy's gonna like, run toward bullets, so he's gotta be brave. And then, okay, he's back home and, and he's offered treatment and he says, oh no, that seems too painful. I mean, too painful to you. You crawl around in jungles and run toward, uh, bullets and therapy is too painful. Uh, yeah. It's worse.
Speaker 0 (00:16:59) - Mm. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,
Speaker 2 (00:17:01) - It's worse.
Speaker 0 (00:17:02) - Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:17:04) - I mean, it's worse. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> than, it's worse than the trauma. The treatment is worse than the trauma. And I was asking some of the people who have trained in R R T and, and and, and about that, and they said, yes, my personal experience and what I've learned from patients that I've treated is that frequently the treatment is significantly worse than what we think of as the trauma. So when I'm looking to get somebody better, sometimes I'm looking for the deepest trauma to clear, which is the trauma of being in treatment to clear trauma with people that never, ever saw anybody do it.
Speaker 0 (00:17:54) - Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:17:56) - Um, and, and, and just think that the solution is getting people to feel bad, so they'll feel good.
Speaker 0 (00:18:03) - Yeah. I know. It makes no sense. After you said it, I was just like, yeah. Why, why is this happening?
Speaker 2 (00:18:10) - I, I wrote this book on grief called Grief is Not Sacred. I, I started noticing that all the books on grief were saying, if you are feeling really bad because someone you love died, realize that feeling really bad is a sign of love. And, um, and it's really okay for you to feel bad for a long time. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I said, well, it might be okay with her. It ain't okay with me. It is not okay with me for people to feel bad. Um, and so we find ways to get them not to. And if we're not able to, we realized it was because we weren't skilled enough and apologize and find somebody who, who might be able to do it. So that, that's what people train with me do. If they work with somebody and, and they're not able to bring it to the finish line, they say, I'm sorry, I didn't have the skill to help you. Let me find somebody who does mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, and, and, and, and, and get you there. Um, unheard of.
Speaker 0 (00:19:18) - Yep.
Speaker 2 (00:19:19) - In in, in the mental health industry. Yeah. Um, or the educational industry.
Speaker 0 (00:19:25) - Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:19:27) - Very much. Um, I think,
Speaker 0 (00:19:30) - Yeah,
Speaker 2 (00:19:30) - I think that, that that schools are good at causing kids to become shooters.
Speaker 0 (00:19:39) - Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:19:41) - Um, I'm, I'm just realizing, I mean, all those kids that are going back and shooting up schools were in the school mm-hmm. <affirmative> that they're shooting up, where, where, where did they learn to feel that disenfranchised, that alienated and, and, and, and, and that kind of hate mm-hmm. <affirmative> in a system which looks to educate not by inspiring an interest and knowledge, but by using, um, uh, bribes. I'm gonna give you a a a a an A, but, and using punishments, we're going to publicly shame you mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, for, uh, not doing well. Um, shame is pretty powerful. Um, ticket, if you're looking to make people, uh, feel miserable, I don't know how well it does in socializing people, but I think that's the object of the game.
Speaker 0 (00:20:50) - Right. Yeah. I mean, I remember even in high school, I wore, and my daughter, who's a teenager, she just had the same thing. I wore a shirt they didn't like, so they wanted me to wear this ugly gym shirt, you know, that made everyone aware that I wore something I shouldn't have. And then they just tried. My daughter goes to a really nice college prep high school and they, you know, she's a 4.6 GPA student, but they wanted her because they didn't like the shirt she was wearing to wear this big oversized gym shirt. And I just let her come home because I wasn't going to make her walk around school. What were you
Speaker 2 (00:21:23) - Guys showing? Like, uh, too much skin for their taste?
Speaker 0 (00:21:27) - I guess so. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:21:29) - Um, yeah. Yeah. Oh gosh.
Speaker 0 (00:21:33) - Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (00:21:34) - <affirmative> can't, we can't have that around. I mean, um, you know, there's a whole bunch of people that think it would be better if you'd dressed in a sack Yeah. And looked out of eye holes, <laugh>. Um, and that's supposed to get you closer to God. Um, um, I know I'm supposed to be culturally sensitive and respect people's religious beliefs, but I don't
Speaker 0 (00:22:00) - <laugh>
Speaker 2 (00:22:00) - Yeah. I don't think that that, that, that telling women that their chins are obscene and that they have to look out of, can you imagine living your life with a hood over your head? And never will you ever have somebody smile at you cuz you look fricking scary. I don't s I see some gal walking by me in the shopping mall and you can't see anything but maybe her eyes and it's both dark colors and it, it looks like something I'd see in a nightmare. Yeah. Who smiles at that person? She's gonna live her entire life without ever her getting a child other than maybe her own when she can take the costume off to smile at her or a man to smile at her or another woman to smile at her. Yeah. Um, so, um, I I I would just say the same principle whi, which is all about shame and inhibition, is what caused them to give you some disgusting thing to wear, to cover the fact that your skin is obscene. And now, I mean, uh, isn't progress great. They just did it to your daughter. Yeah,
Speaker 0 (00:23:14) - Exactly. Just
Speaker 2 (00:23:15) - Told your beautiful daughter that she ought to have her head wrapped in a blanket so that nobody gets, uh, too distracted looking at her. Yeah. Um, I, you know, not that I have any strong feelings about them doing crap like that to people that I care about, but, um, it's, it's, I kind of sort of, you know, don't eat coffee in the morning if I just start thinking about that stuff.
Speaker 0 (00:23:47) - Right, <laugh>. Yeah. Well, and, and another, um, concept similar to the feel it to heal it that we see a lot in the coaching industry. And actually, I had mentioned to you that I just, I wrote a bestselling book last year about, um, some of the things I struggled with in life and overcame, um, before I wish I would've had our RT first. Um, and so one that's
Speaker 2 (00:24:13) - So kind of you dear. Thank you. Thank you. Angela, go ahead, please. I'm sorry.
Speaker 0 (00:24:17) - No, it's o I've actually thought about going back and revising it because, uh, I really wanna help people with my book. And, um, there's one whole chapter I devoted to self-love. And when I came into the R r T world, it was just mind blowing to me that this can be such a roadblock and all of these coaches and I have friends who their whole practice is based on self-love. And I would just love for you to talk about how that can actually keep us stuck. Um, and, you know, self-love and like needing to feel worthy, uh, all of that.
Speaker 2 (00:24:50) - So yeah. Oh my goodness. Um, don't get me started on that. Angela, uh, <laugh> ever get me to shut up. Uh, so everybody that you is listening, uh, finish this sentence before I finish it. Everybody knows that we are our own. And what is it finish with Angela
Speaker 0 (00:25:19) - Enemy?
Speaker 2 (00:25:19) - Worst enemy. Worst enemy, yeah. And everybody knows that. And on some level, most everybody believes it. Um, when you find this guy and he's feeling depressed and he's feeling anxious and he looks in the mirror and he's too fat, too skinny, too ugly, and, and, and, and his feelings suck. And, and then he ends up doing things that he realizes are bad for him and regrets them and does them even more in order to deal with the guilt and problem of having done them at all. Um, you know, so, so she's eating ice cream in order to deal with the fact that she feels troubled because she's too fat and on and on. And you take that person and say, well, first, first thing you're gonna do is like, love you.
Speaker 2 (00:26:19) - Um, but I mean, that's an ad for suicide. First thing you gotta do is love you, love yourself. And I think what happens there is somebody who's troubled and is told they have to love themself. What do they think themselves really is? So I think he thinks his self is how he's been feeling, what he's been doing and how he looks. And so now I have to love feeling crappy cuz that's how I've been feeling. I have to love feeling crappy. I have to love myself. I have to love what I'm doing cuz I think that's who I am. And what I'm doing is, you know, putting cigarettes out of my arm. Uh, uh, now I gotta love that. And it's just a red herring that brings people into all kinds of crappy, awful stuff that basically would make most people say, well, if that's what you gotta do, then I'm fucked.
Speaker 2 (00:27:22) - Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Because I ain't gonna be doing any, um, loving in myself anytime this afternoon. I, I, I, I, I think, and, and so what, what we would say in our RT world is, no, you don't have to do that. And no Eagles aren't doing that. Deers aren't doing that. This sleek, amazing Black Panther prowling and about to have herself something delicious to eat. Is she saying, oh, I think I'd like to kill that thing, but I need to be loving myself up a little bit first. Um, it's, it's the craziest thing ever. And most people are taught by mental health and coaching people to believe that they're also taught that they have little tiny, uh, uh, uh, children living inside them and they're supposed to love them. Um, I, I mean, I had a psychologist come up to me and, and, and she was quite angry, and I said, did, did I do something? And she said, yes, you certainly did. And I said, what did I do? I'm sorry, whatever it is. And she said, I mean, this was somebody with a doctorate. I mean, it's brilliant. And she said, I found what you say was wounding to my inner child. Oh, God. So what are you six? I mean, what wounding to your inner child? I mean, somebody forgot to give you your meds this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:29:00) - Right. Uh, well, what is that about? I think people are screwed up enough without telling them that they have children living inside them that they have to fall in love with. Yeah. I mean, there are enough real children in the world that are screwed up and could use some actual care. And by the way, let's kick around the asinine substance abuse industry for a few moments where they think that the best way to get somebody off methamphetamine is to have him spend, you know, six hours a day, seven days a week in groups designed to make you feel like crap. So you'll do better.
Speaker 0 (00:29:41) - Yep.
Speaker 2 (00:29:42) - I mean, a lot of these people, uh, had problems with addiction because they were feeling too good. Um, and, and, and one of the things that, that industry does is it causes people to be focusing on themselves. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 0 (00:29:58) - <affirmative>,
Speaker 2 (00:29:58) - Do you feel your best when you're focusing on yourself? Do you wake up in the morning and say, I I'll try not to get distracted from me today. I need to think about me. And particularly things that I resent, things that I feel bad about, why my mother didn't give me more attention. Let me spend six hours a day, seven days a week, thinking about why my mother didn't give me more attention. Sounds like a good way not to be interested in heroin. I mean,
Speaker 0 (00:30:27) - Right.
Speaker 2 (00:30:29) - It's, it's amazing to me that people actually get better in spite of all of these things that seem like they're engineered to make people feel worse, but have become commonly accepted as, I mean, it made sense to you. It made sense to me. I mean, I'm not saying, how could you have been so stupid? I mean, I had people freaking vomiting in order to help them feel better by making them feel so bad they had to throw up. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you wrote a book and you're brilliant and suggested people need to, like, we fallen in love with themselves before they go out to dinner or something.
Speaker 0 (00:31:20) - Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:31:21) - We're not the dumbest kids on the block. No. So I'm just saying, how did they convince these people? Well, I mean, how did they convince me? And you Yeah. Because we bought into that for a little while. Thank goodness we have, uh, some light coming into the tunnel.
Speaker 0 (00:31:39) - Yep. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I have a family member who struggles with addiction and has been in and out of, you know, rehab facilities for years, and they say that they're healed, but they still battle the, the, uh, underlying, you know, draw of alcohol or whatever it might be. Um, and so the addiction didn't get taken away. It's just, it's almost like living in hell. That's what I think. It's just like,
Speaker 2 (00:32:06) - Isn't that sad?
Speaker 0 (00:32:08) - Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:32:09) - We have a solution if we're, um, the issue of relapse prevention. Um, and I, I can tell you that when I was a smoker with cigarette, um, I realized at some point that that wasn't the smartest thing to begin doing. And so I tried to stop and that made me pretty nervous. And so my, uh, smoking went up to a pack a day, which really made me nervous. So I tried to stop. And, um, that, that was a little traumatic. So I, I went up to two packs a day, and so I figured that was very dangerous and I was getting really scared. So I tried to stop, and that brought me up to about three packs a day. And then I was smoking three packs of cigarettes a day. And somebody said to me, have you thought of trying to stop? And I said, are you trying to kill me <laugh> if I, if I try to stop again, I'm gonna have to convince some device so that I can, so I can smoke in the shower, <laugh>.
Speaker 2 (00:33:18) - I mean, I'm filling up every moment of my life with smoking because I'm trying not to smoke. Um, I also found I could get the same principle working for me with eating so that I, I could be spending my time trying not to smoke, smoking, trying not to eat and eating. Um, and anyway, um, there are certain things that you consider out of the question mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like if your girlfriend has a super cute 15 year old son. Um, and I said, Hey, if you got to spend a little, and he said, what? Shut up my girlfriend's 15 year old. Well, I'm, but I mean, what if he's really, it doesn't matter if he's attractive, you're crazy pervert. Um, so how hard is it for you not to do that? Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 (00:34:17) - <affirmative>. Yeah. Not
Speaker 2 (00:34:18) - Hard. It's not hard because it's ruled out of the question and it shows up deep within your mind as not possible. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's ruled out, it's out of the question, it's not gonna ha happen. Um, that's where I would like, um, methamphetamine to live in your brain. Right. So that you never, again, try not to use. Yeah. So my goal for people in recovery is that they no longer ever have to try not to use mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and maybe another little secret goal that I guess isn't so secret right now is that you might not, I mean, would it be okay if you didn't introduce yourself as an addict?
Speaker 3 (00:35:15) - Right.
Speaker 2 (00:35:17) - I mean, I could say to you, Hey, it's good to meet you, Angela. You know, I have, uh, sex with 16 year olds. Well, I mean, I used to when I was 15. Right.
Speaker 4 (00:35:27) - <laugh>.
Speaker 2 (00:35:29) - But it's not how I would say, what should I know about you, John? Well, you know, I, I do that. I used to do a whole lot of shit, but I, I wouldn't necessarily tell everybody I meet that it's my identity. Right.
Speaker 0 (00:35:43) - Right.
Speaker 2 (00:35:44) - So, um, I think that the 12 step movements do, uh, a really lot of good for people because they do kind of what r r t does, which is to say the best way to be Okay. Is to make sure other people are mm-hmm. I really love that. Yeah. But I don't love everything. I, I, I, I visited a treatment center for teens and kids went, were coming up to me saying, hi, I'm Jimmy. Uh, I'm an addict, and I choose methamphetamine. Wow. And then another kid did it, and then another kid said, hi, I'm Ralph. I'm an addict, and I choose heroin. And I, I, I went to one of the staff members and said, you gotta watch these kids more carefully. I said, why? I said, I just had three of them come up to me and tell me they were addicts and they different drugs that they choose. And he said, what's wrong with that? And I said, what's wrong with that? He said, my name is Billy. I'm an addict. My drug of choice is heroin. I said, you take some 14 year old who's never used, put 'em in this place and tell 'em every time he meets somebody, he's gotta say, my drug of choice is heroin. Right. And see how many days it'll be until he starts using 'em. Yeah.
Speaker 0 (00:37:13) - That makes zero sense.
Speaker 2 (00:37:15) - So I I, I don't want to say that, that, that, that there's, I think they do much more good than harm. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, these 12 step programs. I just think, you know, I mean, they put it together and it did some good, and now the people doing it are saying, we, we better not change it because then if we improve it, it won't be pure. And then, um, I might relapse because something that I thought made sense won't continue to be doctrine. I don't know. I just think, Hey, good idea. Let's get better at it than that. Let's find ways to take people who are troubled and direct them out instead of in
Speaker 0 (00:38:04) - Yep.
Speaker 2 (00:38:05) - Um, and, and, uh, uh, as, as happens in treatment centers. And, and let's, let's introduce yourself and say, Hey, I'm Billy, and I'm, um, into being clear and free and making a contribution to the world because that's what's best for me. Yeah. What about that? Rather than, um, I'm a heroin addict and I'm a sex, uh, I mean, do they do that? I don't know whether they do that in the sex addict groups. I should go to one and try it. I'd like to see somebody come up and say, um, hi, my name is Billy. I'm a sex addict and I really like whips, uh, <laugh>. I say, well, belly, isn't that something else? Tell me all about it. Uh, do they do that there? I I don't, you can tell us. Nobody's listening.
Speaker 0 (00:39:05) - <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:39:07) - Yeah. You're not, you're not in one of those programs. No. <laugh>. We should go together. <laugh>. What? We'll, we'll go to Starbucks first. Yeah.
Speaker 0 (00:39:17) - <laugh>.
Speaker 2 (00:39:17) - We'll go to a meeting. <laugh>. They could really have fun
Speaker 0 (00:39:22) - <laugh>. Yeah. No, I heard, um, Andrea Crowder's dad, his experience with you and how he said he doesn't even think about alcohol anymore because of the way that you made him associate it with things that he wouldn't even consider. So it's like, I, I hope that this will become more mainstream, um, so that people don't have to suffer for so long.
Speaker 2 (00:39:46) - We wanna save lives, but we also want to cause the lives we're saving to feel like they're worth living. Let's make it so people have lives that are worth living, rather than be forcing people who want to die to stay alive against their will. Right.
Speaker 0 (00:40:06) - Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:40:08) - I mean, you put somebody in prison and he is totally miserable and wants to die. And so we have to hire guards around the clock to make sure he doesn't end his suffering prematurely. Yeah. We, um, we, we, we, we, we put doctors in prison because somebody says, Hey, I can't reach the morphine, morphine, would you hand it to me? Oh, sure. Here it is. I'm sorry. You go to jail. Um, and, um, I, I think there's just some things we could do that would make stuff so much better Yeah. For everybody. And I'm so excited that there is a community of people involved with rapid resolution therapy that are really there for each other. Yeah. Uh, I wanna mention that, that if you're interested in taking a look at what we offer, that every, uh, Monday evening 7:00 PM Eastern Time, I do an open group called Solutions, and people raise their hands and they tell me what's going on, and we at least do something to address it.
Speaker 2 (00:41:23) - Right there. You can sit in the shadows and, and, and, and, and not be seen. If you'd like to just like to watch, I like to watch. If you wanna lurk and watch, you can do that. But if you wanna raise your hand, we can actually interact and find out, you know, what is your money block or what, what, why, why are, have you been, you know, not okay with being Okay. Um, and there's so many folks listening to you and that listen to me, that think that what they need to do in order to finally feel good is to increase their earnings. And it seems like that, other than I'm lucky enough to have some of, I ha I have the people who everybody wants to be come to me mm-hmm.
Speaker 0 (00:42:21) - <affirmative>
Speaker 2 (00:42:24) - And, and, and, and, and, you know, I look at them showing up online, you know,
Speaker 5 (00:42:30) - Wow. It's so, God,
Speaker 2 (00:42:33) - I didn't walk in and say, so what's really going on? I wanna die when last month, uh, <laugh>. But you didn't I read, did you make a million dollars a week? So what, um, so I, I, I, I think, I think that, um, and you're in the business of coaching people who want to make more money, and guess what? I am too. But I, I'm not so sure that simply compiling extra money is the solution to living a life that's gratifying, satisfying, and, and, and, and good to have lived. It doesn't seem to be.
Speaker 0 (00:43:23) - No, and that's, yeah. I was gonna bring that up. So I am, um, I'm a fractional controller in C F O for, for entrepreneurs and startups. Um, and as I mentioned to you, I worked in Silicon Valley, I can't
Speaker 2 (00:43:35) - Even pronounce those things much less spell them.
Speaker 0 (00:43:38) - <laugh> lot finance, boring stuff. Um,
Speaker 2 (00:43:43) - The controller thing sounds kind of kinky, but you go ahead.
Speaker 0 (00:43:47) - I know.
Speaker 2 (00:43:49) - Um, you don't have to wear leather for that, don't you?
Speaker 0 (00:43:52) - No, not unless I want to.
Speaker 2 (00:43:54) - There you go. So I'm, I'll stop, I'll stop. Go ahead.
Speaker 0 (00:43:59) - Um, so what I realized is I was working with a lot of these startups in Silicon Valley, and I realized that these CEOs, these people who had millions of dollars in the bank account, some of them, um, they still had so much fear and stuckness, and if they weren't, you know, they're very focused on the, the 3d, like, where's my money? How much money? When's it gonna run out? What happened? You know, just very stuck in all of this fear. And so that's why I'm really excited about your financial success course, which I'm going to link in the show notes for anybody listening. Oh, thank you. Um, who wants to come and, um, and take this course with us?
Speaker 2 (00:44:33) - I think it's financial freedom.
Speaker 0 (00:44:35) - Oh, is it? Oh, I thought it said financial success, but Yeah. Well,
Speaker 2 (00:44:38) - If it's, if it's says success, I'm gonna change it to freedom. Yeah.
Speaker 0 (00:44:41) - I like, yeah, I like that financial freedom, because
Speaker 2 (00:44:43) - Freedom isn't necessarily more money. Right?
Speaker 0 (00:44:46) - Right. Exactly. And, and so that's what I'm at first going to specialize once I'm, you know, have all of my R r T certification is really helping people, um, with this piece that they think they need to be, they need to have all this money and they're going to feel a certain way. But really it starts internally before you know you can be happy. And so I would love for you to just like, share a little bit about the course that is coming up in July. Um, because I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 2 (00:45:17) - There are, um, we can reminisce. Rabbits can't reminisce. Deers can't reminisce. The ability we have to be able to capture and then store information is what allows humans to do things like build London. Um, zebras can't build London, but the storage process is, um, not functioning well. And often there are screwups, which means that things that we have experienced that are finished, are not recognized by the mind at all levels as finished. And so when something else happens that has a similarity to it, and it doesn't have to be a similarity that makes any conscious sense, that thing buzzes and it's going on outside of conscious awareness. And it's causing people then to be engaging and doing things often that they know aren't useful. And then, um, and, and, and then they, they do them more. And there, there's also a belief that seems to be that if I haven't succeeded, it's because I didn't believe enough that I would.
Speaker 2 (00:47:05) - Um, and, and I didn't actually want it. If I'd really learned how to want it, then I would've succeeded. Which, you know, there are tons of people opening restaurants that stay alive for a month and a half and close after a huge investment. We figured they just probably really deeply at their core wanted bankruptcy. And that's what they put all this energy into was creating a restaurant that would fail. I, so, so I think that there are things going on internally that get stuck and triggered and are on the w out in the way. And sometimes people consciously recognize that, and more often than not, they don't. So I want to be able to get that out of people's way. I just did a meeting with a lady who told me she's, she's a, she creates content for internet. She said, everything time I start looking to create content, which I'm pretty good at, but I can't do it for more than a few minutes because I, I, I get exhausted.
Speaker 2 (00:48:26) - Um, um, and, and that had to do with a relationship. She finished up a long time ago. No conscious connection with it at all. But when that got cleared, then this worked. So one of the things that we do is pinpoint and clear what's going on within unconscious that's getting in the way of what people consciously desire. And we do it fast, and it doesn't hurt. Getting better doesn't have to hurt. You don't have to go through the pain. It doesn't have to take a long time. It doesn't have to take a lot of money. And you don't have to love yourself and pretend that they're a little you living inside of you that you need to be loving to her either. Right. You don't have to do this garbage, um, in order to actually be effective. And it's not your fault. You're not, I mean, you know, your imagine that you've never seen you, you get this incredible computer, but, but nobody g taught you anything about how to use it ever. And you're just sitting there banging the keys. You finally figured out how to turn it on, but it ain't working so well because it, there's no manual, no instruction, no YouTube video on how to make it work. Guess what? Your mind is an incredibly sophisticated instrument. Do you remember the course you took about how to work it? I don't.
Speaker 0 (00:50:09) - Nope.
Speaker 2 (00:50:11) - I don't. Oh, well, the way we teach people how to work their mind is tell them that they should be ashamed of themselves if they haven't figured it out on their own. Yeah. So the key is shame, guilt, resentment, um, let's find a better way.
Speaker 0 (00:50:28) - Yep. Yep. And, uh, that, that just reminded me of my other question was, and I guess that kind of goes into that, is the same thing with people saying, um, well, like you're example, feeling like they're not motivated or they're procrastinating. So sometimes that has nothing to do with what they're actually doing at something else.
Speaker 2 (00:50:50) - Well, people think of motivation as a thing that's in some people and not mothers. Why, why didn't you, that this kid that's in your class failed? Is that, did you have a problem teaching him? Oh, no, he wasn't motivated.
Speaker 0 (00:51:07) - Right.
Speaker 2 (00:51:09) - So the education industry and the mental health industry and the substance abuse industry explains their failure based on this magical substance that seems to be missing from the people that they succeed with, that they fail with. You know? Why did you fail with these hundreds of people? They didn't have the thing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. What was the thing? Motivation. I see. Well, you know, they've done thousands of autopsies and I don't think anybody ever found any motivation. I don't think it exists. It's not something inside people. It's our job to inspire shifts by causing mind to, um, entertain what has value, and then causing it to be really interesting, intriguing, and appetizing. So there's something in front of you and it's within your reach and it's really compelling and you feel you really want it. Do you need any motivation?
Speaker 0 (00:52:22) - No.
Speaker 2 (00:52:24) - So we, we arrange the way mind works. So those things that will enhance your wellbeing, show up like that mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, and, um, yay. When that happens.
Speaker 0 (00:52:42) - Yeah. And something I learned, um, from, I think the, the first course is I, I'll ask myself sometimes, um, if I'm kind of delaying on doing something, I'll say, will this feel good to have done? And is it possible to do? And then how can I make this exciting? Or I'll put on music or do something. But like, I always think about the end result. Like, is this going to feel good to have done? And that's helped me so much.
Speaker 2 (00:53:07) - Well, yeah. Because some people's minds are showing them what would be good to do, but it's impossible. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, well, there's a house I couldn't afford. There's a gal that wouldn't be interested in me, and here's something I won't be able to complete. And that leads to, um, depression.
Speaker 0 (00:53:36) - Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (00:53:37) - <affirmative> and some people's minds are attaching appeal, the things that would be bad to have done.
Speaker 0 (00:53:44) - Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,
Speaker 2 (00:53:46) - Like sex with a stranger, methamphetamine, uh, uh, uh, stealing this thing and getting caught. Yep. Um, so
Speaker 2 (00:54:01) - You don't decide those things. It's not about, well, you, you are working out what, because you're good and unfortunately your sister is bad. Um, that's the way the mind is working. It's working outside of conscious awareness. If it hasn't been working well for you, if you've been anxious, if you've been nervous, if you have to tap the fricking doorknob eight times before you turn it, because you're don't want your baby to explode. If, if you're dealing with stuff like this that's making life worse, it's not your fault. And all this whole thing about buck up and, and fall in love with yourself and realize there are little children living inside you and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and talk about how much you, you, you hate your mother, and you should be fine. Isn't the freaking solution when people go to treatment and they're told, well, you know, we are here to support you, but you gotta do it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I don't wanna do it.
Speaker 0 (00:55:12) - Right.
Speaker 2 (00:55:12) - I don't wanna, I, I mean, I don't wanna go to get my hair and have this pretty girl hand me a pair of scissors and tell me she's gonna hold the mirror. I don't wanna have to do it. And when people come to people who are skilled in rapid resolution therapy, we think it's our job to do it for them. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 0 (00:55:32) - <affirmative>,
Speaker 2 (00:55:34) - You, you call up this, um, social worker before you make your appointment and say, I've been depressed, I'd like to feel better. Um, will you do it for me? I don't want to have to do it
Speaker 0 (00:55:49) - <laugh>,
Speaker 2 (00:55:49) - I want you to do it for me. And Will will, will you do that and see how many takers you get? Yeah,
Speaker 0 (00:55:57) - Exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:55:58) - But if you call up somebody who's trained with me
Speaker 0 (00:56:01) - Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (00:56:02) - <affirmative>, they'll say, well, of course we're gonna do it for you. If you were do it yourself, why the hell would you come in to us?
Speaker 0 (00:56:07) - Right. Yep.
Speaker 2 (00:56:09) - So it can't be more different.
Speaker 0 (00:56:12) - Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, I mean, I'll just make a quick note on that. I, um, I've seen Dr. Wayne, uh, brown several times, and he helped me. Uh, I had this severe fear of public speaking, and I would feel like you talk about when the fear, all the blood and the oxygen goes to your limbs, you wanna run. And I just kept trying to push myself like, okay, it'll, it'll someday, it'll just feel comfortable. And I even had a pass in graduate school, never to have to give presentations because it terrified me. And I kept, then I started avoiding it. Um, and then in one session he helped me clear that it was amazing.
Speaker 2 (00:56:51) - So that's over, or
Speaker 0 (00:56:53) - Yeah, I mean, I'm still, I'm, I'm okay now giving speeches in small groups, but I feel like there's another layer to it. Like, I'm not quite ready to go in front of thousands of people, but before I couldn't even speak in front of, like, when people go around and introduce themselves, I would hop off Zoom or it was just like, I couldn't do it. <laugh>
Speaker 2 (00:57:11) - So well, you, I would recommend you spend a little more quality time with him or I, because you're on fire. Go, thank you. And, and, and this whole thing about little groups, I'm not so sure that's gonna last long for you. Right. Cause you, you know, if you wanna do that, stop being beautiful. Stop being smart. Stop writing best sellers and, um, you know, hide in the basement <laugh>, or let's just get you done with that because boy do you have a message to give out to the world.
Speaker 0 (00:57:43) - Thank you. Yeah. And that's, and that's what I wanna do. And that's my, that's my goal is to get in front of as many people as possible and help as many people as possible. So yeah,
Speaker 2 (00:57:53) - Wayne Brown is, is incredibly skilled, um, uh, facilitator and he's co-train with me, uh, a number of times. And he's, um, just been such a joy and an asset to this movement. So I'm glad you picked, um, such an accomplished, um, uh, facilitator to, uh, bust that, um, fear, um, and busted the rest of the way because I see the world coming for you.
Speaker 0 (00:58:30) - Oh, thank you. I appreciate that,
Speaker 2 (00:58:32) - <laugh>. I mean, no question about it. So, ready or not, here they come. <laugh>.
Speaker 0 (00:58:37) - Great. I better get ready.
Speaker 2 (00:58:39) - Somebody's gonna give you a call and say, oh, did I forget to tell you that this afternoon you're supposed to be talking to these 12,000 medical professionals from around the world?
Speaker 0 (00:58:49) - <laugh>, right?
Speaker 2 (00:58:50) - Uh, yeah. Oh, well, sorry. You are. Um, but, um, you don't have time for a shower, but here's a comb.
Speaker 0 (00:59:00) - <laugh> <laugh>. Yeah, that would be good.
Speaker 2 (00:59:03) - Let's get you ready before that thing happens.
Speaker 0 (00:59:06) - Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (00:59:07) - I see it happening, Anna.
Speaker 0 (00:59:09) - Good. Thank you. <laugh>. I, I know
Speaker 2 (00:59:12) - Either we're gonna inspire you, scare the hell outta you, but that's gonna be happening because you're, you just do a, you're beautiful presenter, communicator, lovely person. And, um, you know, the cork is gonna get to the top of the ocean. Uh, you're rising to the top of the field.
Speaker 0 (00:59:32) - Aw, thank you so much. That means a lot to me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (00:59:36) - Thank you for spending time with me. Yeah,
Speaker 0 (00:59:39) - Thank you so much. And is there, um, I'm gonna link everything in the show notes where people can go to watch solutions to sign up for the U n U course, um, and the upcoming financial course. Is there anything else I should people to,
Speaker 2 (00:59:52) - Well, let me give the website, um, um, uh, which is rapid resolution therapy.com and, um, your, um, beautiful face. And this podcast is gonna be there. Um, so people who want to, um, rehear what you and I did together, can they, they can come to me. They don't have to go to you <laugh>. Uh, we'll have everything you did up there. There's a slew of different podcasts that, um, that are showing up and yours will be displayed, uh, prominently weak. So appreciate you, um, helping get this message across. Because the mission is that people no longer suffer while trying not to suffer.
Speaker 0 (01:00:50) - Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51) - And that we have an educational system that provides a net under people who are troubled so they don't, um, uh, go meet other troubled people and go shoot people. Right. Um, and so they can be happy. Yeah. Um, so let's make it better for other people and with the world needs, uh, uh, uh, a little help at this point. I think
Speaker 0 (01:01:18) - It does. Yeah. And thank you so much for all you do. I really appreciate you taking your time today.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22) - It was beautiful.
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